In the 3 or so days since the BSDSearch spam,
Garry Dolley appeared to be more angry at the
BSD community than the BSD community is disappointed at BSDSearch. This was
witnessed by a couple of threads in the BSDSearch forums which provide interesting
reading. The first thread is in the Suggest a Forum
section and the second thread is in the General forum.
that yes, they did indeed send out the spam. Their main excuse seems to be that sent
it to the wrong list:
I know, sorry, we sent out the emails to the wrong list... it was too late to stop the
process when we realized what we'd done!!!
since stated they now know that bulk email is not the way to spread the word about
Rather, I see spamming a list as much more horrible than an individual, regardless of
whether I have misgivings about either. My intent was not to spam and piss people off, I
just wanted to let more of the BSD community know about my site. I now know that bulk
email is not a way to do this.
This is highly commendable and is a vast improvment upon their initial statements.
I know BSDSearch may be very upset at the reaction of the BSD community, but
I don't understand what they expected. You can see their feelings wee quite clear in
this extract from one of their
No bullshit there. Crucify me for trying to get the word out about my site. Please
note, I DID NOT WANT spam to out to the mailing lists, I know this is very very wrong. I
have gateway'd mailing lists on THIS VERY FUCKING SITE so go read the note that I've
always had on the top of each gateway'd forum. I intentionally do not relay posts from
this site into the lists, they are *read-only*. I do this to
keep the 'noise' on the lists low... so OBVIOUSLY why the hell would I want to spam the
very lists I try to PROTECT?? Again, read the message above, it tells more...
All in all, I've never received so many whiny, bitchy and anal posts & emails as I
have now. I can't believe I'm even wasting my time explaining myself. I'm sorry it turned
out this way. Delete the spam, don't come back to my site, hang me, and GET THE @!#$ OVER
BSDSearch is saying they did not want to spam the mailing lists. But they didn't seem
to have the same level of concern about the non-mailing list spam which was sent.
BSDSearch refers to the BSD community reaction as "whiny, bitchy and anal posts
& emails". That is hardly an effective way to deal with complaints.
There are two issues here:
- BSDSearch spammed what they thought was their target audience. When that very
group complained about their actions, BSDSearch considered them to be "whiny, bitchy
and anal". That's very poor customer service. If the client complains, listen
and do something about it.
- Complaints are vital to success. If you are seen to act professionally and deal
with complaints in a courteous and helpful manner, that will create a much better
atmosphere. Organizations which consider legitimate complaints as a waste of time
soon find themselves left alone. Very alone.
post, BSDSearch has admitted that they did compile a list of BSD people.
BSDSearch seem to be concerned that mailing lists were included in the mailout:
My friend made a list of emails of BSD people. He's not a BSD person, just someone who
wanted to help me in marketing of the site. I didn't know that he had mailing list
addresses in there (he doesn't know a mailing list address from a regular one), and I
definetely gave him the third degree after I found out that we spammed multiple lists
But BSDSearch apparently have no qualms about spamming individuals:
I'm sorry that emails sent out to just plain email addresses has pissed so many people
off, I usually just press 'd' when I get spam and get on with my day.
BSDSearch appear to think that's it's OK to spam so long as you don't spam mailing
lists. I know they are claiming it was an accident, but I still cannot comprehend
how they compiled a list of 900 people and then spam them. Accidentally. But
in this message
Garry has said that they have destroyed the list:
We made the list. About 900 people were on it.
> Can you assure us that you have deleted this list?
No, how would I be able to do that? I can't prove it's deleted. YES, it IS deleted, but I
can't ASSURE you, you just have to trust me.
BSDSearch have concluded that as a marketing tool, spam is a bad choice.
I was reading my neighbour's kids a bed time story last night. In it were three
wishes. Here are my three wishes
- My first wish was that BSDSearch had never done this. It's great that they are
trying to promote their site and support the BSD community. It's just unfortunate
that BSDSearch were not Internet-savvy enough to realize that spam is not the way to
improve your profile. Spam tends to alienate you rather than draw people around you.
That wish also includes a hope that others will also learn from this incident and
will not go down the same path. Spam is not a marketing tool.
- My second wish is that BSDSearch have learned something about this and will eventually
acknowledge they were wrong to compile a list, issue a formal apology, and state that they
will not spam again. [actually, this wish has already been granted]
- My third wish is that BSDSearch does progress on and become a valuable BSD resource
contributing to the community.