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 setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   01-10-04 15:42

To all,

Monday the dial-up ISP provider that serviced our community closed up shop - with no warning. We are talking Kaycee, Wyoming, population <300. The surrounding area has what I’d guess constitute an additional 300 people.

About a year ago the community got DSL service and a lot of the citizenry stopped using dial-up and went with the DSL. However, not everyone in the community can afford the 50 dollars a month for DSL service. In addition, this is a geographically large area and the DSL service is only practical for a small portion of the population. In short, there is still a real need for a local dial-up service.

For the past several days I have been trying to setup a FreeBSD 4.9 box to serve as a PPP dial in server. But it is kicking me in the teeth.

I want to give people the ability to dial-up to the server and get a NAT DHCP address which allows them to gain access to the internet using the DHCP IP address provided by my DSL line.

Assets include:
DSL hookup
PII 266 with 129 Mb RAM and slightly noisy 20 Gb IDE hard-drive (hereafter known as ‘server’)
3Com 3C905C-TXM NIC (connection between ‘server’ and ‘ADSL’ line)
Internal 56k/sec ISA modem on communication port 1
FreeBSD 4.9 with GENERIC Kernel running on PII 266
DHCP IP Address

I have looked at several ‘how-to’s such as :

http://node.to/freebsd/how-tos/how-to-freebsd-pppserver.html

and

http://www.daemonnews.org/200105/dialup1.html


But nothing seems to really be falling into place.

I need to know what exactly to do. I’m tired of playing around, and I formally ask the FreeBSD Community for help.

By the way, it is snowing here right now! First time this fall.

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: D0MZE 
Date:   04-10-04 00:39

Even though I can't help you on this one, I'm really looking forward to know how to do this. My friend has a cottage house and doesn't want to pay for DSL or something like that since he doesn't go there often. I would like to setup something like this for him so he could dial-in into his server and be able to access internet.

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: sot 
Date:   06-10-04 16:18

You need a bunch of telephonelines (or similar)
also a bunch of modems.
and some PCI/ISA cards with a bunch of com ports.

One modem=one user

and http://node.to/freebsd/how-tos/how-to-freebsd-pppserver.html
explains howto do it..I've done it but only for my self and it still works ( on an FreeBsd 4.1 box)

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 UPDATE: setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   07-10-04 14:42

Domze,

It became apparent that the dial-up server part was actually part #2 of a two step project. Part #1 is the configuration of Dynamic Host Configuration Server Protocol (DHCP) and Network Address Translation (NAT) so that my dial-in people get a IP address that doesn't originate from my ISP. The ‘HowTo’ that helped me the most with the DHCP/NAT configuration was written by one 'kcgeek' and can be found here:

http://www.kcgeek.com/archives/cat_howto.html

Many thanks to the kcgeek!

sot,

The link you provide is mentioned in my original post. The users given dial-up rights are hard-coded, I am looking at a solution which involves leveraging the pre-existing user list. I appreciate your input, I am looking at http://www.daemonnews.org/200105/dialup1.html presently.

To all,

I will update again when I have success.

zulu@rock.com



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 SOT: setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   07-10-04 14:54

sot,

If only I would have read the http://node.to/freebsd/how-tos/how-to-freebsd-pppserver.html a little more closely. It also authenticates against the /etc/passwd list.

I just wanted to say thanks for the link suggestion and to correct my implied rejection of it.

zulu@rock.com

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: D0MZE 
Date:   22-10-04 02:46

Thanks bigHairyBird, I knew the DHCP part already (using my computer as a Router already), I just didn't know what to do in the PPP part

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   22-10-04 03:15

It's all pretty cool once it works.

Interesting side note on this adventure, I have just been informed that it isn't 'legal' for anyone to provide internet 'backbone' service through a DSL line - just in case you were thinking of starting a little ISP.

This is a snippit of the message I received from my DSL provider when I ran my idea of using using my DSL line as a dial-up service:

'since last year NECA has made it clear in tariff that DSL cannot be used as a transport device for ISP backbone connectivity'

The NECA is the National Electrical Carriers Association

http://www.neca.org/source/NECA_1023.asp

A 'tariff' is (evidently) the NECA's term for what most mortals would call a 'rule'.

Tariff 5 is apparently the set of rules pertaining to DSL and can be found as a PDF link here:

http://www.neca.org/source/NECA_150_1206.asp

I could not see where the document actually prohibited the use of DSL as a medium to provide dial-up functionality, I have asked my DSL provider to point out the specific wording in the document which states that 'DSL cannot be used as a transport device for ISP backbone connectivity'

I have not received a reply from my DSL provider.

Anyhow - just a little heads up.



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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: D0MZE 
Date:   22-10-04 03:58

hehe yea... How many people are going to use your Dial-Up service?

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   22-10-04 04:32

I actually have to tell about 8 people that the service is no more until further notice.

It would be nice to just have a team of lawyers on retainer just for occasions like this.

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: Terry 
Date:   28-10-04 02:55

I sold out our ISP in Jan. 2004. I have max 4048 boxes for sale if you are interested. They have 56k modems in all boxes. They are ready to work. I also have alot of cat 5 cables and other parts if you are interested..
If serious we can get in touch.



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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   28-10-04 03:47

What do you mean when you say 4048 boxes? Like, 4 thousand 40 or are is this some terminology I am not familier with?

My ISP informed me that it isn't 'legal?' to allow the use of DSL as a backbone for internet connectivity.

The ISP cited a 'Tariff 5' of the NECA. I downloaded the document but couldn't find the language banning the use of DSL. I asked my ISP where in the document the terminology could be found, but they haven't gotton back to me.

I appreciate your offer, but I am definately small-time - and maybe even out of business before I started.

Please do give me an idea of what these 'boxes' are. How does one attach more 'serial' ports to a PC so that more modems would be available?

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: Mike Nguyen 
Date:   28-10-04 18:22

I'm still new with freebsd, however, when I worked with a telco company, that colo'd servers for smaller dialup ISPs, most dialup isps were using somthing called a MMPS server that people would dial into. Basically a server with a crap load of modems.

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: bigHairyBird 
Date:   01-11-04 18:35

Interesting enough. I will look into the MMPS terminology a little.

Unless one knows the terminology it is impossible to come up with the question to get the solution.

I find myself in the 'aquiring terminionolgy' phase way to often.

'aquiring terminionolgy'
'I've got tone'
'Lock, fire'
'We have a question!'
'It looks like a hit . . . yes, I see an answer!'

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 Re: setting up small town isp
Author: Dwuanei 
Date:   02-11-04 00:03

I'm not able to provide an input, just want to say I share your pain in that I too am new to this OS and it's environment. The terminology or lack of can make things super confuz'n especially when it's a solution. But weather it out, you're in the rite place. My experience with the guys on this site is that they not only know their stuff, they are willing to share..

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